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We never finished

On Jul 7, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Stacey B wrote:

Hi Chris! I’m just sending you a line to express my awe over the awesome game you created. My sisters and I spent countless hours playing wrath. We were hooked. Unfortunately, we never finished. All these years later I’m still bothered by this. Just wanted you to know I was a huge fan!


Thanks so much for writing!  It’s great to hear you all enjoyed it so much.
Sorry you didn’t get to finish it.

Thanks again,

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Almost worried there

Whew!  I was almost getting worried there… it had been almost a year since I last received any fan mail!   Thanks Nathan!  It’s always great to hear from folks who really enjoyed the game!

Date: April 4, 2012 3:23:29 PM PDT
Subject: Wrath of Denethenor
 Chris, I am sure you have received this type of email before. But, I was talking with a co-worker this week about how we all got hooked on computers. I told the story of my commodore 64 and my first computer “crack” called Wrath of Denethenor. After all of these years and many adventures, it is still the first magic that I have been trying to relive since.I decided to look and see if it was still surviving in some fashion and ran across your website. So, I wanted to send you an email and thank you for creating a game that made such a lasting impact on it’s players. Enjoy your adventure!
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Yay, more fan mail!

Date: May 4, 2011 1:46:31 PM PDT
Subject: Thank you!
for making Wrath of Denethenor waaaaaaaaaay back in the mid 80s. It
was my first fore into RPG games in general.found your website via google and just wanted to drop you a line and
say thanks! WoD had a huge impact on me as a kid and it’s still one of
my all-time favourite games. Maybe one day you can update it for a
modern PC if time ever allows. I’d love to play it again.Anyhow, take care Chris. Just wanted to express how much I enjoyed the game.

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“Huge fan”

Date: January 10, 2009, at 9:20 PM PST
Subject: Huge fan of Wrath of Denethenor

Hi. My name is Franco and im a 33 year old video game junkie. Today I was trying to remember the first computer game I ever played and all I could think about was this really cool RPG game back when I had an Apple IIc but couldnt remember the name of it. So i started googling Apple II RPG games and went thru a whole list of them until I saw a title that stood out and looked familiar.I clicked on the link and it brought me to your page and right when I saw the screen shots you posted I knew I had found the game.I have often thought of this game through the years, it emersed me into a whole other dimension and was my very first rpg game i have ever played. I want to thank you for giving me an awesome gaming experience that has stayed with me after all these years.Is there some way to play this game on an emulator? i know its a very dated game but I know it will bring back many memories of staying up late at night when my parents thought I was in bed and playing hours and hours of this game.

Hi Franco,

It’s great to hear that you enjoyed my game.  I have seen the game run in emulation for both Com64 and Apple II but I haven’t gone looking for the disk images to download in a long while.  So I know it’s possible but I don’t have any tips as to where to get them.

Thanks again for writing though!

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Wrath of Denethenor

On May 26, 2008, at 12:43 PM, space aliens may have forced Andrew Darovich to write

Hey there. I was recently poking around at Lemon64.com, a Commodore 64 site and came across Wrath of Denethenor….

I googled it a bit and came across your actual website!

…. Do you happen to have source for the C64 still that would be viewable? I’m a fledgling C64 programmer and always wanted to look at Ultima style games’ source codes!

Thanks for reading!


Hi Andrew,

Sorry, no source code available… besides, you might want to look into a more modern system and/or language! I did the Wrath in 6502 assembly!

Good luck,

Oh, but thats the point!   I’m a young kid (20) that grew up in the wrong decade!  I’ve gotten myself really into the C64, and have been reading all sorts of 6502 assembly books, haha!

It’s a backward step from the C/C++ that I usually do things in.

Thanks for your reply!  :)


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Denethenor was great!

On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:23 PM, space aliens may have forced Mike to write:

Hi Christopher,

I have great memories of playing your game on the C-64 and I still rank it up there with Bard’s Tale, Ultimas, Might and Magic, Magic Candle, etc. I was thinking about game-playing 20 years ago and happen to google upon you and your site. Just wanted to say thanks for a great game and can’t believe you were so young when you did it! Still waiting for “Return to Denethenor” and hope you made a little money for your effort. I’m guessing you never wanted to make any other games?? Wish you had more info on your web site re. the making of the game… I’m a 52 year old guy who played alot of RPG’s back in the day on C-64’s and Amigas and just wanted to say thanks! Find some free time and post some more info about your game… it had just the right balance of rewards and frustration. Thanks, (and enjoyed the many pics of your life and travels).


Thanks Mike!  It’s always great to hear from people who enjoyed the game.  I did enjoy writing it but I’ve been pretty preoccupied with my work on the FileMaker product family ever since and I rarely feel like doing any additional programming on a game or something in my free time.  Who knows though, maybe someday….

Again, thanks for writing!

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Wrath :D

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: Wrath :D

Wow, I never thought I’d find reference to Wrath of Denethenor anywhere ever again.  Was one of my favorite RPGs back in the good ol’ Commie-64 days!  Wish there was a PC version for old times sake.

Thanks!  It’s always great to hear that people enjoyed the game.  Sorry, no PC version, but you might be able to find an emulator for the Com-64.


But that would be piracy. :D  (I can’t prove I owned the game, though I probably have the box somewhere stored at my mom’s house back in California, heh)

– ModemMisuser

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Never Finished

My name is Nathan and I am a student at the University of Tennessee Knoxville.  I once owned an Apple II C and a copy of all literally “floppy” discs of Wrath of Denethenor.  However my father was in the Army in Fort Ord in 1986 and we moved in 1988.  During the move, one of the discs got damaged and I was not able to complete the game.  This has bothered me for 18 years.  I have looked for your game repeatedly and it is almost impossible to find.  I knew a MOD would not cut it so I decided to find you instead.  I was wondering if there is any place you know where I could find a copy of this game.  I still have my original apple II C.  Any advice would be much appreciated.  I need this closure in my life.

Thank You,

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The Wrath of Denethenor

Dear Mr. Crim:

My name is Marc.  My Grandmother bought me The Wrath of Denethenor game when I was 13 years old(1987).  I instantly got hooked.  When our computer went down in 1990, I haven’t been able to play since.  I have, however, been looking to see if the game was made adaptable to other computers.  Was the game ever made for compact disc?  I have a Mac Computer, and wonder if a disc version was made available so that I could once again play what I consider the best role-playing game ever made.  I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you.

Marc S.

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Denethenor Lives!

— On 11/10/06 11:16 PM, space aliens may have forced Steve M. to write:

 Hi Chris,

I wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed Wrath of Denethenor. It was my favorite game for the Apple IIe. I got the IIe when I was in 7th grade, more than 18 years ago. I played it for hours (until the wee hours) and eventually finished it. I really had a lot of fun with it.

I have a few confessions to make though….I remember figuring out that I could cheat the towns by using a “anger management disk” when leaving a town or social area after attacking and robbing them. If I swapped the floppy right before exiting the town, the disk would store their anger and tempers towards my character and when re-entering the town, I would insert my all is good “clean” disk…and they would be happy to see me. Invariably I would just rob them again, which didn’t always seem fair…and they would be none the wiser the next time. I racked up a lot of resources that way. I felt pretty proud of myself that I’d figured that one out.

One more thing, I didn’t pay for the game L I downloaded it from some AE/Elite board on my 1200 baud modem at midnight some school night no doubt when it was late enough that I could use the phone like for multiple hours for downloading. Squinty O’ Toole’s Elite BBS, or something similar. How times have changed with the Internet. I was in 7th grade I think… How much was the game in the store? I’d like to pay you for it now. Let me know and I’ll paypal you the cost. Seriously J

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“I say let his WRATH be REBORN!”

Date: June 12, 2006 4:34:21 PM PDT
Subject: I say let his WRATH be REBORN!!!!

Hello Christopher,

Found your website on yahoo doing a search (just for the hell of it) for Wrath of Denethenor – a game that I still enjoy and that ranks high on my list…


Every other game I have played (I’m 33 now and still enjoy RPGs but hell, they don’t pay the bills!) just is in my mind either a cheap immitation, or just don’t do it quite the same.

I still have my old Apple IIc (the damn thing still works!) with working copies of Wrath– and Uhh… I just beat it again a few weeks ago, except now I’m just too damn good at it.

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Denethor or Denethenor?

Hey, Chris!

I just came across your website in the most bizarre of ways.. let me explain.

First let me say I was a huge fan of your game “Wrath of Denethenor” way back in the day when I was living in Vermont and using my old Apple ][+ exclusively (I still have it, and it still works, if you can believe it).  Having been completely blown away by the Ultima series, I decided to try your game, and loved it.  So, hats off to you for that.

Now fast forward – to what?  20 years?  Has it really been that long?  Wow…

I was recently on the D.C. metro heading to work, reading the Lord of the Rings “Return of the King” for the first time ever, and the character “Denethor” was introduced.  Soon after I read about “Denethor’s wrath” referring to his attitude regarding the declining state of his army, his son, and his kingdom in the midst of a war. I thought to myself – wait a minute, that sounds familiar… except that the arch-villain was “DenethENor”.  Coincidence?

So out of sheer curiosity I googled Denethenor, came across your site, and figured I’d ask you, introduce myself, and let you know there are people out there who, 20 years later, have not forgotten that wily bastard who comes after you. ;)

Cheers to you my friend, a true pioneer of the early era.


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“I LOVED The Wrath”

— On 3/2/06 6:32 PM, space aliens may have forced Melissa to write:

 Hi, Chris.

I LOVED The Wrath of Denethenor when I was a teenager.  Do you know any games for Windows XP that are like that?  I wish I could play it now….

Thank you for putting the solutions guide on the net (I never managed to finish the game).

Best wishes,


Hi Melissa,

Thanks, that’s always nice to hear!  I’m not sure what you mean by “like that” given how much games have changed.  However, a lot of friends and I have been enjoying World of Warcraft over the past year….

Thanks again!

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Yay, Fan Mail!

— On 9/15/04 11:31 AM, space aliens may have forced Gordon to write:

 Hi Chris!

Just wanted to thank you for the great game and the memories that went along with it…my friends and I loved this game.

Just out of curiosity…why did you never make any other games? Your game albeit looking somewhat like Ultima very original in many ways (animated characters and other touches).  Have you made any shareware or hobby games since then?

Thanks in advance!


Hi Gordon,

Thanks for writing and I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it.

I never wrote another game because I’ve been doing other software engineering full time since college (on FileMaker Pro 1.0-7.0) and I’m just not motivated to spend that much more time on the computer than I already do outside of work!  (As you can see, I can’t even keep up on my personal email!)

The only shareware I did was a module for Now Software’s “Now Fun!” title, but what I did was just a utility to customize the colors on the old Macintosh System 8 — I think, or was it 7?!  Anyway, that’s all.  FileMaker keeps me pretty busy!

Thanks again,


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“So I finally found the creator”

Date: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:08 PM
Subject: So I finally found the creator of The Wrath of Denethenor :)

Mr. Crim,

Hello!  As a young boy I remember your game for the Apple II.  My best

friend and I grew up on roleplaying games like Ultima and were QUITE intimidated by your game.  Anyhow, I just wanted to write you tell you what a wonderful game it was.  In addition, I see that you are missing from MobyGames.com credit list.   You should take some time and fill out the credit for the game (they are quite helpful if their website is confusing).

Just thought I would pass on a note and express my gratitude!  Now that I have been in the game industry for a couple of years, I at least owe a note of thanks to those who helped influence my path.

Thanks again!


Hi Matt,

Thanks for writing.  It’s great to hear that you enjoyed the Wrath.  I hope you’re enjoying your involvement in the game industry — not a direction I went in, but I do enjoy the gems that come out… like the new Prince of Persia: Sands of Time and of course my friends and I are all eagerly awaiting Halo 2.

Good luck to you and thanks again!


Thanks for writing back!  We are also looking forward to the games you mentioned (when we actually feel like playing games… it’s like working in a pizza joint, after a while you REALLY don’t want to eat pizza ;) ).

I hope you don’t mind if I ask you a question here and there about your development of TWoD – you see, modern game development has really lost touch with its roots, IMHO.

Thanks!!!  And keep Filemaker Pro running – we use it QUITE a lot here!


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Cheat myself back

Hiya.  I was wondering if you knew (or remembered) the offsets (and such) in the Apple ][ code for WoD to well, cheat.
I got very far into WoD when I was 16 years old (I’m 33 now!).
Somehow, my game disks (one of them?) became corrupted, and I couldn’t finish the game.  I recently downloaded an Apple ][ emulator and found roms to your game!
(Is this ok?)  Anyway, I’d like to cheat myself back to where I was, or at least remove the stamina reduction over time functionality and such.  The “Applewin” program seems to have a decent debugger.. though I’m racking my brain to remember 6502 assembly language. =)
I know it’s been a LONG time, but if you remember anything, I’d appreciate it.
Thanks for writing such a great game.  Playing it again brings back some great memories.
 Geez… talk about a backlog of old email….  sorry for the (yikes!) year long delay!Thanks for writing and thanks for your interest in WoD.

Here are some of the key offsets from the character file.  (No, I most definitely am not recalling this from memory!!)  I believe all the values were in BCD (binary coded decimal) — in other words, 255 would be represented in hex as “0255” not “00FF”.  hit points: bytes 26 & 27,  stamina: 28 && 29,  gold: 30 & 31


– Chris

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